studying in europe

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anubis 101 Jan 18, 2005 at 00:30

germany is most likely introducing fees for university this year (\~500€ now and up to 3000€ in the future per semester). as i’m totally opposed to the idea of pay per education (especially in a country like germany where natural resources are none and the only thing to export is knowledge) i’m looking for a new country to move to. obviously i’m looking for a country that still offers free education. i know that finnland does and france. switzerland is probably free… allthough i’m still checking on that. if anybody knows about another option please let me know

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pat_mathis 101 Jan 18, 2005 at 04:52

Stay the hell away from the states in that case. I hate our school/prison/medical system. Very good ole’ boy mentality.

Some men rise to power, some men take it, and some time they inharit it for thier 16th birthday. -Robin Williams

I completly agree with you about free education.

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Mihail121 102 Jan 18, 2005 at 06:26

This is really bad news as i am planning to move to Germany next year to study… I don’t think that 500 euros will bring me off the course cause DE allows the students to work. Now if this is fear or not i cannot say… i is unfair cause i have to pay 500 euros per semester, but it’s definetely serving the land’s interests as more than \~85,000 people!!!! are moving to Germany each year to study. However that’s not really that bad because the number of german students is decreasing each year.

If you’ve really decided to leave Germany you can come here in Bulgaria to study. The univercity system is (still) good and we pay non-more than 30 euros per semester…

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JSoftware 101 Jan 18, 2005 at 06:29

i would bet all the scandinavian lands has a “free education” system. denmark has…

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Kenneth_Gorking 101 Jan 18, 2005 at 08:05

Yes we do! Haleluha!

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Goz 101 Jan 18, 2005 at 09:22

So its NOT just the brits that get screwed over! :D

Costs upwards of £1000 a year over here … plus you get no grants you have to live on loans which, generally, means you will walk out of university owing upwards of £24,000!! :angry:

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Ed_Mack 101 Jan 19, 2005 at 05:55

That loan only rises at the rate of inflation, requires payment when you’re earning a decent wage and dissappears when you’re 50! Poor teachers need payed, and if the bloody government wants 50% of the population in uni…

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anubis 101 Jan 19, 2005 at 12:39

so i’m supposed to stear clear of work and masturbate to internet pornography until i’m fifty (i’m not even sure that the loan expires in germany) ??? wow… that sounds like a thrill packed life of fullfillment :)

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Ed_Mack 101 Jan 19, 2005 at 17:30

Welcome to further education!

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Nick 102 Jan 20, 2005 at 11:03

Come to Belgium! I’m serious.

Our education is of very high standard, and the government pays for nearly everything. I myself get around 3000 euros a year, since my parents can’t pay for it. Unfortunately I failed last year so I have to look for another source of income, but I got a loan without intrest anyway. I love socialism. :D

I don’t know what the rules are for foreign students, but I never heard anyone complain. Ghent University

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anubis 101 Jan 20, 2005 at 12:00

well… should i have to get a loan i might as well stay here. it’s not that my city has a bad university. in fact i think it won some prices for best IT university in the eu. currently my hopes are that fees will only be introduced for people who start studying next winter and that i will be able to finish university here. i don’t expect that to happen though.

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Mihail121 102 Jan 20, 2005 at 16:58

There is still hope!!!

I spoke with my German teacher today very seriously on the matter and he informed me that if fees should be introduced for the unis, they will NOT be in effect for all subjects. For example if there are plently of students wanting to study medicine a fee will be introduced depending on the number of candiate-students. Subjects that people are not interested in (physiks, maths like in my case) will still be free.

I’m not sure how many people are willing to study IT though and if this subject will remain fee-free (what a nice word) but as far as i’m concerned there are enough possibilities in DE to study IT so it should remain free of charge. That’s only an assumption though…

edit: bad Inglish…

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anubis 101 Jan 20, 2005 at 18:31

that is not true. most of the states in germany are going to introduce a general 500€ fee. it might be that certain subjects are going to be more expensive but that basic fee is there for sure.

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SpreeTree 101 Jan 20, 2005 at 22:53

@Goz

So its NOT just the brits that get screwed over! :D

Costs upwards of £1000 a year over here …

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But that is means tested. Students from poorer familes can be asked to pay nothing (their local education authority pays it)
@Ed Mack

hat loan only rises at the rate of inflation, requires payment when you’re earning a decent wage and dissappears when you’re 50

And if you enter certain professions (currently teaching of certain subjects, though i expect this will change to encompass doctors, nurses etc.) the government pays your student loans back for you, at 10% the total each year. So its not that bad :)

Spree

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Nick 102 Jan 21, 2005 at 08:04

@Mihail121

I’m not sure how many people are willing to study IT though and if this subject will remain fee-free (what a nice word) but as far as i’m concerned there are enough possibilities in DE to study IT so it should remain free of charge. That’s only an assumption though…

Don’t study Information Technology! Study Computer Science and/or Software Engineering.

Well, it depends a lot on the university, but IT is often promoted a lot, while it’s actually the most boring of all. I myself study Computer Science & Engineering, with an option in Embedded Systems. I get a lot more programming classes here than what is offered for IT, and it’s more on the edge of innovation than that age-old database and communication technology. So, if you have ambitions, I suggest not to choose IT.

Waiting for people to prove me of the opposite now… :huh:

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anubis 101 Jan 21, 2005 at 08:44

in germany computer science is often refered to as IT which means “informatik” then and not information technology.