Often when me and my friends start talking about movies, books, or games
one topic keeps coming back up. What is it that makes a good female
character. All my buddies agree that the “I’m a hot chick with a gun,
ka-pow…” (as seen in resident evil, dark angel, or blood reign) is way
to played out, and my opinion once was too many. You don’t seem to see a
genuine drive in these characters any more. Most of the time they are a
hard ass becouse the story flat out tells you that they are as oppose to
showing that they are. They just glare and pose. LAME!
So we furthered this discussion with making examples of good female
characters. Such examples as Auska from EVA, Beyatrix Kiddo, the mother
from Requim for a Dream, Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell, and my
personal favorite, Ripley from Aliens (I am such an Aliens nerd).
Let me make an example of why I thought she was so good. Ripley was
never a hard ass. In the first movie she was a woman trying to assert
her self as an officer to several different guys that would other wise
never show her any respect. Her drive was simply to survive, human
enough. By the second movie she had lost every thing and sat around in a
mental health physility, until she was offered the job of going to the
colony. When she got there she was very worn out from every thing, and
still was fighting for her cause out of habit if nothing else, until
Newt was a big determining factor in Ripley’s character. She gave Ripley
a reason to live, as a motherly figure. Then when she was taken Ripley
disregaurded her self completly, as any motherly figure would, and
well… kicked alien ass. I still get quivers when she steps out of the
loading bay in the power loader and say, “Get away from her you…” But
now I’m getting side tracked.
My point is, if a female is a hero, then she just poses and acts tough.
If not, she’s a love interest who is made bludgently clear in her first
shot what her purpose in the movie/game is. Van Hellsing is a prime
example, when the girl shows up she’s the only “movie pretty” girl up to
that point and they show her in a supposid rustic picture with her all
dolled up an shot in cheese cloth (A film prosess that makes white
So what do you guys think?
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My girlfriend absolutely loved the female lead from The Longest Journey.
She was not fantastic in any normal way, but she had an attitude. She
wasn’t horribly mean, but through her thoughts, you knew she was
thinking the same thing you would.
Oh, yeah… I forgot that game even exisisted. It was a pretty good
adventure game. But that’s what I mean when I say a good strong
You know, I’ve noticed that some of the best film makers always have
strong and unique characters, especially female ones. Gorge Lucus (Pre
Episode I), Tarantino, Scorcese, Spielberg, and Shyamalan; all of there
characters stand out.
I think games could benifit from strong characters as well.
Could this lack of convincing female characters be due to the number of
male game developers as opposed to female? A female
writer/developer/etc. might be able to more effectively create a good
character because she’s not ‘gender biased’ towards them. Perhaps the
industry just needs a couple more writers. It could be lots of things.
Games could definitely benefit from strong female characters though - it
really makes the sense of immersion ‘complete’. I personally don’t
believe that I’ve ever played a video game with a female character that
has a deep personality.
i liked the main character from beyond good and evil. she wasn’t chest
oriented at all and had quite a deep character for a game. another game
that comes to mind is syberia which i never really played though
Beyatrix Kiddo and Ripley are my favourite film characters too :) I’d
add to the list the female from the film ‘The Long kiss goodnight’,
who’s main drive like the first two was to save her child.
Perhaps the moral is never get into the way of a child-less mother?
I dont think there is a lack of well developed female characters. Not
any less then well developed male characters that is. You cant say the
role of female characters in games/movies (or stories) is either a love
interest or a tough girl. Being a love interest is not a problem though.
What’s wrong with females being a love interest. You always have a male
love interest with female lead characters. You want a list of well
developed female characters from games/movies:
Elly from Xenogears (sorry, had to mention that game)
Lulu from ff 10
ripley from aliens
the lead in the movie twisted
whats her face from “life or something like it”
Lara croft is NOT just a pretty face (If people complain about AJ then
might as well complain about the Indiana Jones guy)
… just to name a few - there are many more.
The point is that some stories are not supposed to be deep and
meanigful. Some are just there for the sake of entertainment. It’s just
like when people complain about the backstreet boys and brittney spears
- they dont realize that they are not mucisions, they are just
Stories have a purpose and a medium through which they try to fill their
purpose. A story in a Tomb Raider movie is just there for the heck of it
- ie: you can have a million and one different story lines with those
kinds of movies. A story like “The English Patient” or “The four
feathers” are deep and the authors really try to hit a spot in the heart
or the mind. Other stories is just for adrenalins sake.
for me a female chr. must have first 2 big bump-maps !!!!!
rest not count. hehe :)
sorry just a joke.
i like the woman from resident evil and 7th element.
Well, I do agree that it is possible to have a pretty and interesting
female character. But I also think that not every girl in the world of
fiction must be ready to do the catwalk for victoria’s secret. If I want
to see boobies, I’ll rent a porno, go to a massage parlor, or call up
one of my many ex-girlfriends.
You know, when I first played Halo 2, the first thing I noticed was…
well the fact that it was pulled out of the oven way to early, thus
loading it with bugs and making it glitchy. But the second thing that I
noticed was that the commander was not what I would call media pretty,
at all. She had multiple blimishes, bucked teeth, and growing crows feet
under her eyes. And the strange thing is, I think that all that actually
made her more atractive, she seemed more realalistic. I’m sick of Barbie
doll Lora Crofts.
And to rebudle on the whole entertainment vs good writing thing is a
little crass, if you ask me. A good story should be entertaining, and
something entertaining has a good story. They are one in the same. I
couldn’t help but churn in my seat during Van Hellsing, Resident Evil,
or other such movies. I personally blame devil music and drugs that lead
our youth of America to fall into such decline as to let the bar for
stories take such a dive. The Mass Media will always hit just barely
above the bar, and people contribute to this when they go out and see a
But hey, I guess Mass Media really is a teenager’s whore. A person of my
age dosn’t really account for much of the idustry. That’s why I often
just drink heaviely instead, the world seems just a little more surreal,
and yes most of the female character’s personalities are less then
believable, but at least I can see they’re boobies. :ohmy: (oYo)
pat, i enjoy reading your posts. you have great ideas, i think you would
make a good game designer ;)
She had multiple blimishes, bucked teeth, and growing crows feet under
She had multiple blimishes, bucked teeth, and growing crows feet under
bah!!!!! i dont like femals with bucked teeth. hehe
well i know what you are talking about. and i have to agree in few
but good looking bump-maps on a female hero will always sell good.
ofcourse its because iam a typical german ‘BRATWURST’. hehe :)
and most of the time iam thinking about coding and sex.
but your are right in most of the things you post before…..
thank you andy, thank you john
Yeah you’re right, every character definetly dosent have to be a
victorias secret model. But it’s usually male designers in the drivers
seat so… heh. Also, I think you misunderstood my story writing vs
entertainment. I didnt say good writing is not entertaining. Writing I
just meant that some stories are there just for the hell of it. You
*can* have entertainment without nice stories. Take Devil May Cry - I
thought that was an awsome game. but the story was horrible. Same with
the Tomb Raider games. Dude where’s my car (the movie) and movies like
it. So you can get enterianment with crappy or no stories, especially in