Why Valve's SteamOS Could Be Revolutionary

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porpoise 105 Nov 17, 2013 at 09:47 linux gaming

Discuss link: Why Valve's SteamOS Could Be Revolutionary (www.informationweek.com)

This is a great article on how Valve’s SteamOS has big implications for the gaming industry. It kind of comes back to the point I made in this thread. The gist is that Valve’s Steam platform is now in jeopardy with Windows 8, since Microsoft is now more so, supporting the closed-system model with its own App Store. Microsoft’s app store competes in many ways with Steam. For that reason, Valve is now pushing to have its own platform it can control, and Linux fits the bill.

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Sol_HSA 119 Nov 18, 2013 at 10:50

Apple put BSD on the desktop. Google put linux on the phones. Maybe valve will put linux on the desktop. =)

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Vilem_Otte 117 Nov 19, 2013 at 00:33

A zealot’s reacton…

The first is … well … how to put it - FreeBSD was first here (a long time before Apple religion arrived). The most important fact is, that I know more people that actually use FreeBSD/OpenBSD than Apple, but I guess it also depends on location (in Central Europe, Apple computers are overexpensed, they cost twice the money an exactly same laptop with Windows/Linux OS … don’t know how it is in US).

I agree with the second one, although the annoying JVM is everywhere.

The last one - Generally it might have some success, but in my opinion it won’t. Linux zealots, like me, will heavily ignore that distro; Linux users will still want to stick to their distro; It might drag few users from Windows, but well… they seem to be satisfied with Windows so far, so it won’t be that much.

The funny thing is, that Valve has serious issues with Steam for Linux. As one of the people who actually tried, I had hard times running it on several distros. Now for my experience… Debian - you have to compile like a 30 dependencies from sources, that are marked as unstable (yet Ubuntu is using them - which is I think the reason). Up-to-date system that has recent stable dependencies won’t even install steam. As I consider Debian as one of the most widespread and most stable distributions, making steam not officially supporting it is a terribly wrong idea by Valve. Arch - just don’t try. It is possible, but nightmare. Also if you’re running Arch (64-bit), you will have to install multilib - which I consider evil on Arch (pure 64-bit is better .. less mess). Gentoo - good joke! Honestly my friend tried, after 3 hours, he ended up compiling wine, cursing Valve.

So far I can clearly state that using even older Wine (recent is better) and Steam for Windows is by far better solution for Linux. And when Valve can’t really make client that works across different distributions, I don’t believe they can make good Linux distro, nuff said.

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Sol_HSA 119 Nov 25, 2013 at 13:46

If FreeBSD was “on desktop”, meaning mainstream, before OSX, that’s news to me.

Valve only really needs to get steam running on one distro, and if it gets enough momentum, other distros either change to give whatever support steam needs, or then they simply won’t work with steam. And that’s fine.

As for “few windows users” moving to linux via steamos.. that depends, partially, on valve, and partially on microsoft. If valve manages to make steamos into something normal users can rely on and developers can like, and microsoft keeps ruining windows, it’s entirely possible steam will be the killer app that will move the masses over. We’ll see. Lots of “if’s” there.

On the other hand, maybe the next microsoft ceo will turn tables again and give people what they want again. (Or maybe microsoft gets split up and disappears. Or maybe adobe buys oracle.)

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Vilem_Otte 117 Nov 25, 2013 at 18:06

Ad FreeBSD vs OSX - I guess it really depends on your location, and also people you actually meet. I still know of office where they use FreeBSD system since the day they started - 1994 I think it was.

Ad SteamOS - yeah there is still a lot of IFs, in both cases (mine and yours). Let’s see how it progress. I personally think that it is a good first step for creating new well known OS - and another party with OS on scene is always good. Honestly I just hope that there will always be at least a bunch of different systems for both, normal people and IT guys. Because once there are more systems - each one will evolve and improve, trying to beat others … and that is always good :)

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Stainless 151 Nov 25, 2013 at 19:49

FreeBSD is STILL my preferred OS for firewalls.

For about a decade I watched exploits coming out for windows and linux before any came out for FreeBSD, even now I can only think of a single exploit that was down to the OS (and they fixed that)