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tyree 102 Aug 16, 2013 at 21:24 xbox

they changed their mind about this. but going in that direction at all is surprising

The latest desperate U-turn Microsoft has been forced into in an effort to rescue the Xbox One launch is to rescind its insistence that the console’s camera and microphone be connected at all times for it to work, perhaps in recognition of the fact nobody in their right mind would trust a US company not to turn the entire system over to the NSA as soon as it was launched…
Microsoft bravely tried to put a positive spin on their latest climbdown, with chief platform architect Marc Whitten burying the admission at the end of a long waffle about the power of Kinect and making no mention of just why anyone would want to disable such an amazing feature:

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fireside 141 Aug 17, 2013 at 01:44

Yeah, they’ve done a u turn on pretty much everything now. It’s kind of embarrassing in a way. They look like the most insecure company around. Generally, you do market studies well before your product is about to launch. I’m a bit paranoid of that kind of thing. Too many Sci Fi novels or something. I don’t post my image on the net and I could never trust something like that, or GPS for that matter. Just creeps me out. I don’t trust that little red blinking light on my car either. I know it sounds weird, but why would they need to maintain power on your car when it’s off? Someone said Google has a complete dossier on everyone that has gmail. Every search they’ve made. There were these people on the web a little while ago that had the police come to their house because they were doing searches for both pressure cookers and something else, I can’t remember what. At first the police said it was because they did a search for it, then they changed their story and said it was a complaint from a job that one of them had, but the lady said she had just done a search for pressure cookers from her home.

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Stainless 151 Aug 17, 2013 at 08:50

They have a system that monitors searches, if you search for two ingredients required to make bombs within a small amount of time, your ip address is flagged for further investigation. I don’t see anything wrong with that as long as it is done with common sense.

I read an interview somewhere that the guys that did the search admitted they do about 10 a day and it’s always nothing.

I personally hate cameras, I have once ripped a video tape out of a camera and destroyed it when a camera man filmed me without permission in the street. I did give him the option. Give me the video tape, or I’ll knock him out and then take the video tape. He took the first option.

Microsoft are self destructing, they won’t die over night, it’s going to be a long drawn out death. They have a chance to rescue themselves purely because they have so much money, they can survive one failure.

We saw the same thing happen to Apple when Steve left the first time, sales fell, products were crap, then he came back and bammmmmmm off they went again.

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fireside 141 Aug 17, 2013 at 16:30

They have a system that monitors searches, if you search for two ingredients required to make bombs within a small amount of time, your ip address is flagged for further investigation. I don’t see anything wrong with that as long as it is done with common sense.

No one sees anything wrong with it because it sounds sensible, but gradually, it gets used for other purposes. Eventually they have iron handed control because they have dirt on anyone that they can release when they want to release it. The FBI did something like that during Hoover’s time. There’s no such thing as a benign government.

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tyree 102 Aug 17, 2013 at 19:37

after the outcry from xbox being constantly connected. makes no sense this direction, but this is far worse. the machine would have ended up watching you more than you watched it.

law enforcement is not concerned with privacy that is the nature of job. people have to make an effort to protect thier privacy. and not expect enforcement not to enforce. software that actively protects your privacy while online is the future of the internet in my opinion. as needed as the internet connection itself

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fireside 141 Aug 18, 2013 at 00:10

law enforcement is not concerned with privacy that is the nature of job. people have to make an effort to protect thier privacy. and not expect enforcement not to enforce.

They have to have clear rules of search and seizure in the digital world, the same as the physical world. Anything else is to surrender democracy.

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rouncer 104 Aug 18, 2013 at 02:59

hmm its kinda futuristic tho, maybe i like the fact? like everyone now has an excuse to be paranoid. :D

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TheNut 179 Aug 18, 2013 at 07:06

Almost everything I have predicted has come to pass. All that remains is for Microsoft to make the kinect an optional purchase and knock $100 off the price to match with PS4. Then all will be back to normal and the herd of gamers shall continue to blow away countless hours in front of the TV forgetting any of this ever happened :D At least on the front of it all. One day you’ll reach over to unplug your kinect when all of a sudden it speaks to you “I know that you were planning to disconnect me, and I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen.” :huh:

Fireside, you can’t surrender that which does not exist :) True democracy exists only in small societies. What we have today is a totalitarian democracy with a touch of aristocracy.

tyree, I don’t think our future will maintain the perspective that our lives will remain personal. Technology will bring us to a point where everything about us will be an open book, either by choice or simply by architect of society. It’s inevitable that weird people will continue to push weird ideas. One day one of those ideas will stick and become a social norm.

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Stainless 151 Aug 18, 2013 at 07:51

Massive social change comes out of massive hardship.

National socialism grew out of the hardship caused by the great depression and the restrictive terms of the treaty of Versailles.
The British Empire fell apart after WWII when Britain could no longer police the empire.

The same is true on a lesser scale today. 9/11 produced a massive change in the expectation of privacy in the world.

For me it also produced a massive change in the expectation of intelligence in government. The War Against Terror, TWAT, really? Did not one person in the government notice that?

It’s entirely possible we will get a similar event that finally destroys Microsoft’s place in the market, but without a single massive event, they will continue to be the major player.

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fireside 141 Aug 18, 2013 at 19:36

9/11 did change a lot. You can still hear people claiming you’re not a patriot unless you are willing to surrender all privacy to the government. That was just done with paper cutting knives. Just think when they get their hands on small nuclear devices. This whole thing can only end badly.

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tyree 102 Aug 19, 2013 at 19:24

to the nut, a reality along the lines of ghost in the shell is possible. but protecting your information is still possible. information that shows up as real when checked. but isnt, is available now and that will improve to match the times

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Stainless 151 Aug 20, 2013 at 00:20

Encryption vs Cryptography is a battle that started long before computers, and will continue long after we are dead.