This has been an issue i’ve had for years. I’ve wanted to make games
ever since I first played Kingpin: Life of Crime, but I only got into
the dev aspect with the original Call of Duty. I loved radiant (map
editor) and became very proficient with it. However, the one aspect I
really lacked was 3d modelling.
here’s my problem, I can handle the programming, but i can’t handle the
3d artwork for character models/animations (which is a bridge i intend
to cross later).
What i’m looking for is an engine that will allow me to (using brushwork
such as the old cod) make the maps, even if only in spectator view as
far as testing goes.
I don’t need a ground breaking new engine or anything as complex as UDK.
I’m just looking for something I can work on by myself for the
foreseeable future, with enough room for improvement (source code would
be good) that down the line we could extend from it.
If anyone has any thoughts outside of Steam/UDK please let me know the
Map editor is the most important part, if i could just import .map files
then that would also work as I could just use the cod engine to build
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Not a requirement (can be built etc later one) if it supported a “bloom”
effect would be very beneficial (game is based in a desert location)
And Unity doesn’t cut it because..?
tbh I just dont like the all-in-one style unity3d went with. Reminds me
to much of the valve sdk. Too much in one place complicates things for a
v.long period until you become very proficient with it.
Its not completely a no go but if there are alternatives that seem more
like what i’m used to i’d prefer to go down that route.
If you want something that you can configure to your needs than Ogre is
probably the best way to go. I did a quick search and this editor came
Everyone is in love with Unity, these days, i’d advice to give a try.
I just came across Leadwerks3 does anyone have any experience or reviews
From the pictures/videos it looked very capable. Just worried about
diving in with an engine then having to change down the line.
The best thing to do, in my mind, is to look at the games and demos made
with the engine. Also, I wouldn’t recommend paying anything for a 3d
engine until you find out how much work is involved in making a game.
Most people end up quitting unless they do a pretty small game and it’s
just money wasted. Unity is still probably the best bet because it’s
free, and there are lots of assets you can get free or cheap The one
problem with Unity is it doesn’t do real time shadows unless you get the
pro version which is quite expensive. The shadow maps look pretty good
and you can do some simple blob shadows on players. It makes the games
run on low hardware, which is nice in some ways. Unity has by far the
most tutorials, and it’s easiest to find videos about it on youtube,
etc. Terrain is just a tiny part of making a game. Maybe what you want
is an editor for a game to make a mod. You’ll probably get more plays.
There’s also a free engine called cube or sauerbraten that is more about
making terrains for a shooter. It’s a bit dated, but unless you are
really good at a lot of different tasks, it’s just for fun anyway.
Well as it stands (still advancing) I’ve been programming for the best
part of 13years now, varying from language to language but proficient in
c, python etc, I’ve got “some” experience with 3d modelling (3ds max,
maya), about 4-5years level editing using various version of the
hammer/radiant editors & about 8years gfx experience (mostly web related
tho) So as far as experience I’ve fairly well versed although with that
said I have no intention of doing it all alone.
My plan is to do a couple of “demo environments” which I can use as a
showcase to recruit other developers. I don’t want to keep doing mods as
I’ve spent to long on mod teams for cod, half life etc.
I’m still considering Unity but looking at comparing a few, I’ll prolly
use the free version regardless for a few months to make sure I have
something worth investing in before i drop in some cash. I bought a
couple of engine’s years back (realm craft & cipher) but that was purely
as a learning curve thing rather than actual development.
Will take your notes regarding unity into consideration :) ty
one of the main reasons unity is popular outside of the free version.
most programmers can use a language they already know. without learning
a new one. Im not a fan of the interface. I find the help file useless.
hoping someone has already asked the question you need answered. or
constantly going on forums for answers is no way to make a game. but
with a help file, that offers very little help. thats what it comes down
you may end up coming back to unity but I also suggest looking at other
engines. you shouldnt use it simply because its popular
Cube 2 / Sauerbraten is a joy to work with for quick n’ dirty level
creation. It’s not brush based, as it’s focused more on subdivision,
extrusion etc of geometry sort of like box modeling. However it’s
actually extremely easy to get a handle on. It’s free, it’s fun, open
source, and yes, has bloom.
However you mention that you prefer to import your maps (from Radiant?).
In that case, your choices are somewhat more limited: OGRE, Irrlicht and
G3D are the (rendering) engines I am familiar with that can import bsp
maps. Of those I am going to go against the trend and actually recommend
investigating G3D. The community is tiny compared to the other two but
it is somewhat more comprehensive providing a good framework and
examples, and has lovely well commented source that teaches a lot of
game engine concepts.
I’ve spend the past 2days playing with the Leadwerks3 demo and it’s
somewhat similar to Radiant in alot of ways, some aspects can get a bit
tricky (such as my failed attempt at switching from downward 3rd person
camera) but generally speaking its v.easy to get the hang off. I’m star
rating it somewhere around 8/10 for my project and moving to investigate
I dont need to be able to import .map (or bsp) to the engine that would
just be beneficial if there own level editor was a long way from it. I
shall look into Cube 2 and G3D over the next week.
Thankyou all again for continued feedback its such a big decision that i
just dont want to bugger it up.
If I were to choose one of the suggested engines I would use Ogre3D
personally. It is more barebones then some like Unity3D, but is very
Just requires a little more dirty work, at least from my experiences.