smoking sucks

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rouncer 103 Sep 13, 2011 at 08:15

Im 30 I started smoking when I was 15, and im hopelessly addicted, when I try to quit, my body feels like its empty and its torture, I want to quit but its too painful.
Meanwhile, whilst im smoking I puke up nearly twice a week and my stomach is full of flem, its disgusting.
Does anyone else here smoke? Got any advice for me to quit in some less torturous way?

I looked up wikipedia, and they say later on in a smokers life the negative reinforcement and withdrawals are the only things keeping you smoking…

Also one thing to add, when I dont have a ciggerette, I CANT PROGRAM… im just contantly thinking about the smoke I could be having.

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Mihail121 102 Sep 13, 2011 at 08:23

@rouncer

Im 30 I started smoking when I was 15, and im hopelessly addicted, when I try to quit, my body feels like its empty and its torture, I want to quit but its too painful.
Meanwhile, whilst im smoking I puke up nearly twice a week and my stomach is full of flem, its disgusting.
Does anyone else here smoke? Got any advice for me to quit in some less torturous way?

I looked up wikipedia, and they say later on in a smokers life the negative reinforcement and withdrawals are the only things keeping you smoking…

Also one thing to add, when I dont have a ciggerette, I CANT PROGRAM… im just contantly thinking about the smoke I could be having.

I used to smoke and it’s still the best thing on Earth for me and I totally recommend it, BUT I don’t do it myself anymore. They cost money and ruin your body on the long term. You don’t need a special treatment etc. to smoke them, just don’t light up the next cigarette and realize that’s the better way. Nobody else is in control, but you. Wanna be dead, Rouncer? I don’t think so.

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rouncer 103 Sep 13, 2011 at 08:45

Your lucky you quit before it was too late… theres no hope for me, I might as well be addicted to heroin its that bad.
I guess all I have to do is go through the withdrawals, but its complete hell, I wonder how long they last for, and if you start up again, its like all that pain and misery for nothing…

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touch_the_sky 103 Sep 13, 2011 at 09:40

Have you tried contacting your GP or something? I know some people quit just fine with them plasters / pills, etc.

I’ve been smoking 9 years now (pack a day for about 7 years;). Never tried to give up yet though

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_oisyn 101 Sep 13, 2011 at 10:54

@Mihail121

it’s still the best thing on Earth

Why? I think the only reason you say that is because you’re an addict - it’s a routine and it’s comforting. But that actually only applies to addicts, not to non-smokers.

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Mihail121 102 Sep 13, 2011 at 11:36

@.oisyn

Why? I think the only reason you say that is because you’re an addict - it’s a routine and it’s comforting. But that actually only applies to addicts, not to non-smokers.

Perhaps you’ve missed the line where I said I’m not smoking for a couple of years now. Main reasons: price and health. And otherwise you can pull the “you’re an addict” trick every time someone says he likes something. There should be a border somewhere.

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v71 105 Sep 13, 2011 at 14:35

My mom, stopped smoking after 20+ years when she knew she had cancer.
The cancer was not smoking related, but was enough to make her stop.
A big fear , normally is a big motivator as well.
At 30 you have the strength to stop before its too late.
The symptons you are referring have reached an unbearebale ( sp??) level and your body starts to recognize them, but you have changed the chemistry of your same body and it craves for the nicotine.
There is only one way to stop this crazyness, a big act of will.
You need motivation to stop , or slowly you will find a lot of excuses to start smoking again, but its not your mind, its your body.
Try to find something in your life worth living for, think that each cigarette shortens your life day by day.
Will pray for you dude.
P.S.
Best thing on earth its not smoking, it loving a beautyfull girl.

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Nautilus 103 Sep 13, 2011 at 14:52

@rouncer

Im 30 I started smoking when I was 15 […] I want to quit but its too painful.

So you want to quit.
That’s the first step!

Yeah –> Cpt. Obvious talked.
What follows ain’t obvious. I suggest you read.

After over 18 years of uninterrupted smoking, 20 cigs a day, every day…
… on January 26th 2011 at 17 o’clock in my bathroom I smoked my last cigarette.
And that’s why I remember it so clearly (also because I happened to look at the clock, alright).
Haven’t touched another cigarette since then.
From 20 to 0.
And without the goodbye cig before going to sleep (you know, the “I quit, starting with tomorrow morning”).

How I did it?
Water

No no. Not W.A.T.E.R. It’s not a game.
It’s water.
The water that is water. The name of the H2O thing that is always wet.

It must be simple water.
No sugar, no salt, no gas, no ice, no coke, no pepsi, no caffeine, no theine, no fruit, no energy drink, nothing!
Only water as Mother Nature conceived it.

It has to be at room temperature.
Absolutely not from the fridge - or it’s ineffective.

Keep a bottle with you everywhere you go. And keep it constantly in sight.
I’m not kidding.

When you suddenly feel that strange sensation in your mouth, and you know you want a cigarette…
If you don’t get one soon, the sensation gets worse. To the point it hangs your mind, becoming your only thought.
It’s like a demon (let’s call it like that, for convenience).
You can’t concentrate on anything other than the fact that you - only - want - a damn - cigarette.

Isn’t that what happens? I’ve been there too.

Did you know that demons can’t swim? ; )
Drinking water will drown the demon.
So when you feel you want to smoke a cigarette, drink water instead.
It’ll literally wash away, from your mouth, the wish to smoke.
And you won’t smoke. For a while.

The first times your while shall be very short - only minutes.
Then the demon shall return charging.
Again you’ll drink water and drown him away.

Perservere. Repeat as necessary.
Whenever the demon returns, you drink water to send it away.
And you’ll see: the more times you send it away, the longer it will take for it to return.
A nice example of diminishing return formula.

Eventually it won’t return. And you’ve quit.
It’s a try-to-believe thing.
Water is cheap and does you good in any case, what have you got to lose?

For the technical corner, Why Water?
Your desire to smoke is given to you by:
1) the actual addiction caused by the nicotine in your stream;
2) the habit of the gesture of hold a cigarette in your hand and bring it to your mouth.
Those two bastards work in synergy.

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(By the way, pills & co may help with #1, but won’t defeat #2. Many people who quit by pills, tend to restart after some time. But they’re conveniently left out of the statistics. Guess why? What matters is that they spent a fortune in medical help they didn’t really need. Of course nobody will tell you that water is such a panacea. It’s bad for business, you understand)
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But drinking water kills the two birds with a stone.
On one hand it makes your kidneys operate more efficiently and clean your blood stream of nicotine at a faster rate (and since you’re not smoking you aren’t introducing other nicotine to clean).
On the other hand you substitute the devious habit of holding a cigarette with the healthy habit of holding a bottle of water.

Admittedly you’ll nearly develop a compulsive need to drink water. Hrrm, for real.
But it’ll fade soon enough (too bad) once you realize you’ve quit smoking.

Pay attention:
There’s no need to drink a whole glass of water everytime.
Take a big sip to fill the mouth, then gulp it.
Sip by sip, as many as are required to no longer feel that temporary wish to smoke.

Statistically the first 48 hours are the harder to endure (sleep-time is included, so it’s not that bad)
You just have to drink water, water, and more water! The 48 hours will fly.

Why 48?
It’s a chemical thing. Nicotine’s grip on you is granitic until \~48 hours have passed since last you smoked, because the effects of nicotine won’t start to fade sensibly before that time.
But past that threshold, the road becomes a slope in your favor.

I’ve painlessly quit smoking in 3 weeks. Perhaps 4. Oh Lord… no more than 5 for sure.
It’s hard to tell. You don’t care anymore long before you notice it. You just drink for drinking.
When that happens you’ve quit smoking. There’s only to acknowledge it.

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rouncer 103 Sep 13, 2011 at 15:03

ill try the room temperature water. ok… :)
thanks for the helpful discussion, i needed to get it off my chest.
but its going to be hell, i know… and next time i get the chance, and im weak, ill just puff away my whole effort to quit.

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_oisyn 101 Sep 13, 2011 at 15:24

@Mihail121

Perhaps you’ve missed the line where I said I’m not smoking for a couple of years now. Main reasons: price and health. And otherwise you can pull the “you’re an addict” trick every time someone says he likes something. There should be a border somewhere.

Are you intentionally not answering my question? Feel free to replace “are” with “were” in my sentence. It doesn’t change a damn thing about the point I was trying to make :). An “ex-smoker”, if you will, still gets off from a smoke. Your brain is still configured to happily recieve the nicotine and release endorfines, way more than a never-smoker ever would. Which is why it’s so easy for quitters to start again (and *that* is why I call you an addict, even though you technically aren’t - once you crossed the line, there’s no way back). So, again, why would you recommend it to anyone?

As for the so called ‘“you’re an addict” trick’, if you want to review my opinion about the whole user==addict debate I suggest you dig up the old drugs thread here on devmaster, and perhaps you’ll find out that I’m not as conservative as you may think (quite the opposite, actually).

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Mihail121 102 Sep 13, 2011 at 22:54

@.oisyn

Are you intentionally not answering my question? Feel free to replace “are” with “were” in my sentence. It doesn’t change a damn thing about the point I was trying to make :). An “ex-smoker”, if you will, still gets off from a smoke. Your brain is still configured to happily recieve the nicotine and release endorfines, way more than a never-smoker ever would. Which is why it’s so easy for quitters to start again (and *that* is why I call you an addict, even though you technically aren’t - once you crossed the line, there’s no way back). So, again, why would you recommend it to anyone? As for the so called ‘“you’re an addict” trick’, if you want to review my opinion about the whole user==addict debate I suggest you dig up the old drugs thread here on devmaster, and perhaps you’ll find out that I’m not as conservative as you may think (quite the opposite, actually).

I know you are not conservative, we just have different interpretations of “addiction”. OK, so I agree it triggers permanent changes in the brain and makes you love it for life, this is undisputable, but there is also nothing wrong with that. Indeed, everything that gives us a positive feeling or emotion generates some kind of substance in the body which is the actual emotion.. I also agree it’s easier for an ex-smoker to start (again) than for a non-smoker. OK, now I would recommend it to anyone, after explaining the risks in detail, because, ignoring the risks, it’s a great feeling. You get up in the morning, light up a cigarette and the world warps to a better place. Of course, every other cigarette feels more and more shitty. You are also not reduced to constantly craving zombie as with most drugs / alcohol.

Rouncer, listen to what the guy said, just stop smoking, don’t define a very last cigarette or very last day of smoking. Just quit. What did they bring you other than misery? You are a slave to a combo of paper, tabacco and filters. Nobody owns you, but your own mind. It’s not a physical addiction whatsoever, you won’t shake, you won’t jitter, you won’t be seeing things. You might get a little larger than you currently are, but that’s all. Oh, yeah, and your body will clear the poison in less than 1 year.

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fireside 141 Sep 13, 2011 at 23:56

Don’t give up. I quit smoking ages ago. I was smoking 3 packs per day. The first time I quit I made it 1 hour, which seemed like an eternity. Finally I made it for 3 whole days!!! Then I quit for good. Never looked back.

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rouncer 103 Sep 14, 2011 at 00:13

3 packs a day is me too man… its insane isnt it. im sick of the ill health, i gotta kick this habit.

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touch_the_sky 103 Sep 14, 2011 at 09:21

a what?! 3? 3 packs a day?!

That’s not even fun anymore, anything above 1 pack a day is proper pathology. I’d still go to your doctor - he / she might scare you with some stories about slow agonising death + those pills / plasters / whatever DO sometimes work (accompanied by your fear-induced motivation to give up;)

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rouncer 103 Sep 14, 2011 at 11:08

yeh i get over with a 50 gram of white ox in one night. im headed for big spews.

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_oisyn 101 Sep 14, 2011 at 11:51

@Mihail121

OK, now I would recommend it to anyone, after explaining the risks in detail, because, ignoring the risks, it’s a great feeling. You get up in the morning, light up a cigarette and the world warps to a better place.

But I very much doubt whether that is true. It’s certainly not so for beginning smokers. I think it’s relative: because you (I’m not necessarily talking about you but in general) feel shitty when you don’t have had your smoke yet, and when you do, you don’t feel shitty anymore, and you actually think you feel better than normal.

Nicotine is simply too subtle a drug to use recreationally. There’s no gain in using it once in a while. The only true gain you will experience is when you use it often and your body craves for it. So, basically, you have to become an addict to experience it fully, and according to that reasoning, you recommend becoming an addict. And, personally, that is where I draw the line :)

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DaniGames 101 Sep 14, 2011 at 14:30

I smoked for 22 years, and finally stopped smoking 2 years ago.

This is what I did, don’t know if will help you, but I stopped smoking a bunch of times, till I finally quit. I read somewhere that it takes smokers at least 3 or 4 times trying to quit, before they finally do. So I used this idea, and basically tried every couple of months until I finally quit for good.

See I had it in my mind, that if I tried to quit and failed that somehow I would be forever doomed to smoke. But this thinking is silly, but I know alot of smokers who think this as well. The real truth is, if you try to quit and you fail, so what. Just try again later, it gets easier each time. So even if you fail, it still a step in the right direction.

I also used nicotine gum, to quit, which I thought made it lot easier.

I think the first time I tried to quit, I made it like 13 hours.
The next time, I think it was 17 hours.
Next it was a day.
Then 3 days.
Then a week.
Then like 10 days.

After that experiment, I knew I could quit for good. So I did.

Good luck.

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moe 101 Sep 20, 2011 at 06:59

Just out of curiosity, did you try the water bottle trick mentioned by Nautilus? And did it work?

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RJAG_Entertainment 101 Sep 23, 2011 at 19:38

You could always try to get involved in community organizations with goals to prevent or stop teen smoking (or any smoking at all).

It may not help you quit, but you can help other people, especially telling them how much it sucks now, so they don’t have to suffer like you do.
Better than nothing.

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rouncer 103 Sep 24, 2011 at 06:43

yeh… i didnt quit btw, im just cutting down to one a half hour… maybe next time.