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[mystd]

I wrote platform because I'm not sure if it should be a website or software. It would be mainly for sharing resources but also offer software for easily creating content. Like that character editor/creator, where one can make an unique char in like 5 min. Kinda like 3D-Coat/Poser except it would work with everything the users provide. Depending on the community you could have thousands of different heads, torsos, etc. Same for the world editor you could search for mountains or race tracks and if you don't like the ones u find, u can still use them as base and change them to your liking. For that you can use the easy to use provided tools (that are not part of the sharing software/website, only a link/download) or just use the ones you like better.

[alphadog]

Well, there are lots of asset sites: TurboSquid, Falling Pixel, The 3D Studio. What's different about your site? You can upload, and sell, any assets from almost any editor on those sites.

And, yes, you can make a character model in some existing editors pretty quick (although not 5 minutes), but what you don't realize is how hard it is to code up this masterful, proprietary editor with a great UX that would work "with everything the users provide".

And, please don't take the big dose of reality the wrong way. Differentiators are key to viability of a project...

[mystd]

You can earn money, you don't sell - you share, that's the difference. How do you know that I don't know how hard it is? Can you look in my head? I know it is hard, but you have to see this as an idea I have, that I'm sharing to see what ppl like/dislike about it, to improve it, because I'm not all knowing.

What I mostly just got is: impossible why do you even bother. What I want is: that part is ok, this part I don't understand, that part you have to think over. Which I also got a bit + don't bother it's impossible.

I get the feeling you guys just try to demotivate me for some reason I can't comprehend and I only can guess a little. Thank you all for taking your time to at least talk with me. I was able to improve and form my idea a bit better, but I don't think this is going any further. I keep repeating myself and I'm fed up with it.

[alphadog]

mystd said:

you share, that's the difference

Asset sites are bandwidth-heavy, and bandwidth is not cheap. Who's going to pay for running the site? How?

mystd said:

you guys just try to demotivate me for some reason

Yes, that's right. This whole site exists only to put down newbies.

Here's the fundamental problem: you equate solid, realistic advice with demotivation. Some do. I've seen my fair share of overly-sensitive types. OTOH, plenty of people have come and gone through these forums and listened to those with more experience, tweaked their ideas perhaps, and... well, who knows, because they never come back.

IOW, you don't want to listen, you just want approval.

So, fine, you have a wonderful idea. Good luck and have fun!

[mystd]

I know that Asset websites are bandwidth-heavy. But I also wrote /software right? I wrote I'm not sure if I make it a website or software, you know how bit torrent works? Problem solved. Also I write something and 40% of what I write just gets ignored and then ppl just interpret anything they want in that part and I'm fed up with ->!!! repeating myself !!!<-

I don't know if I'm too stupid to write clearly or if ppl just don't really care reading what I write. It's just that I get the feeling this isn't moving forward because I keep repeating myself.

[iPride]

Thanks for this but can you maybe go more in depth about the games?

[Vee]

alphadog said:

I want a hammer, that also functions as a nail gun, that has multiple screwdriver attachments, both the tool and the drink, for my home repairs. It would be great if it could cut steel pipe, but also able to cut gentle bezier curves in balsa wood. It must grind, slice and dice. It must also be easy to use, reliable, perform well and be inexpensive.

Why hasn't anyone built one yet?

1) Cuz not most of the ppl want that, otherwise the marketing specialist, the researchers, the studies and so on would focus on this.
2) This will be the future, with one company being able to deliver this. Why I'm saying this ? Many and many more companies keep buying on smaller companies in different domains so that they can do everything, see Google who bought Motorola only a few days ago, eBay, Amazon, etc. Their aim from my perspective? Being able to deliver everything anytime anywhere. At the moment, Black and Decker or Husqvarna ( which fits ur description so far ) would not see the point in doing this now as it's not requested. But we will reach that level too, using a multitool, see Victorinox and their stuff.
3) An artist who would do wood sculpture would not use this cuz he's an artist, different than u and me, has a different mentality, superior that is, and it won't be able to handle the huge thing ur calling for making art, only for destroying wood maybe. Or if it's a lightsabre.
4) I don't see the relevance of ur smart@$$ comment compared to the post. I mean every1 can understand what ur saying and every1 is thinking like u, dont think ur special in any kind, only that none of us flame as much as u. I'm sorry.

Now related to the post:
It's a good idea however the casual user, will not be able to use this game properly. Think it this way since u played over 1k games. The games u played 10 years ago were harder or easier to play/have success at in general pvp ( and I mean measuring ur intelligence, knowledge, skills, etc vs another human, not pve - against the code...). If we look back, in order to be a good quake 2 player u needed brains too. In order to be a good medal of honor or i donno what 3dshooters ppl play these days, u need lots of practice, aim for the head, throw the grenades on the spawn point, etc. Think how hard was to get a good place on the ladder in Starcraft and how easy it is nowadays.
And the list goes on. For example, I can make a bet. Whoever care to hold it against me im up for it np. I bet that the next big MMo coming out, the SW one, will have an improved graphical environment, effects, etc but it will be easier to handle as in u press 1 and the character does something that looks like a combo. It's good. User friendly ftw. However we get dumber and dumber everyday. Compare chess to an MMO. Or a 3ds. Or whatever. The idea of the game is half dead.

[rouncer]

they still havent made an mmo id want to play yet, my favorite game so far is rage :)

[alphadog]

Vee said:

1) Cuz not most of the ppl want that, otherwise the marketing specialist, the researchers, the studies and so on would focus on this.
2) This will be the future, with one company being able to deliver this. Why I'm saying this ? Many and many more companies keep buying on smaller companies in different domains so that they can do everything, see Google who bought Motorola only a few days ago, eBay, Amazon, etc. Their aim from my perspective? Being able to deliver everything anytime anywhere. At the moment, Black and Decker or Husqvarna ( which fits ur description so far ) would not see the point in doing this now as it's not requested. But we will reach that level too, using a multitool, see Victorinox and their stuff.
3) An artist who would do wood sculpture would not use this cuz he's an artist, different than u and me, has a different mentality, superior that is, and it won't be able to handle the huge thing ur calling for making art, only for destroying wood maybe. Or if it's a lightsabre.
4) I don't see the relevance of ur smart@$$ comment compared to the post. I mean every1 can understand what ur saying and every1 is thinking like u, dont think ur special in any kind, only that none of us flame as much as u. I'm sorry.

I was trying to stay out of this thread, since my opnion on this matter is not well-taken. But, if I am going to be singled out, I will go into rebuttal mode.

1) It was just an analogy, not a business plan.
2) People have, for *decades*, claimed that that they will deliver a product that does "everything" and, in the future, life will be simpler because of it. People have promised even grander software that the OP's would make programmers obsolete. I'm still waiting.
3) Did I forget to mention my hypothetical device would also be small, portable and include a lightsaber? (I think you are taking the analogy a little too literally.)
4) If the relevance of my analogy is lost on you, it's because maybe you don't have enough experience to know what makes a project almost destined for failure. How many large IT software projects have you brought to completion? More importantly, how many large projects have you spearheaded that failed? I don't think I am special in any kind. Quite the opposite. But, honest opinion is often misunderstood, esp. when it goes against the grain.

I'm sorry if some people got insulted by an analogy; it was meant as an example to illustrate the idea that too much wished-for functionality in one project is very likely to send it on a course for the waterfalls, not to insult the project originator.

People who refuse to accept what I just said are people who aren't open to listening; they just want to kill the messenger and keep the illusion alive.

So, go and prove me wrong! 100% honestly, I'd love for you guys to come back and make me eat crow.

[Vee]

alphadog said:

I was trying to stay out of this thread, since my opnion on this matter is not well-taken. But, if I am going to be singled out, I will go into rebuttal mode.

1) It was just an analogy, not a business plan.
2) People have, for *decades*, claimed that that they will deliver a product that does "everything" and, in the future, life will be simpler because of it. People have promised even grander software that the OP's would make programmers obsolete. I'm still waiting.
3) Did I forget to mention my hypothetical device would also be small, portable and include a lightsaber? :) (I think you are taking the analogy a little too literally.)
4) If the relevance of my analogy is lost on you, it's because maybe you don't have enough experience to know what makes a project almost destined for failure. How many large IT software projects have you brought to completion? More importantly, how many large projects have you spearheaded that failed? I don't think I am special in any kind. Quite the opposite. But, honest opinion is often misunderstood, esp. when it goes against the grain.

I'm sorry if some people got insulted by an analogy; it was meant as an example to illustrate the idea that too much wished-for functionality in one project is very likely to send it on a course for the waterfalls, not to insult the project originator.

People who refuse to accept what I just said are people who aren't open to listening; they just want to kill the messenger and keep the illusion alive.

So, go and prove me wrong! 100% honestly, I'd love for you guys to come back and make me eat crow.

Nah man, I wasn't offended. I understood ur analogy thats why I said that "don't think ur special". The analogy u did was wrong, u did it with something physical, a tool, compared to another tool indeed, but a different kind, a software. The human kind has evolved and will evolve further on, probably reaching the point where we will have those kind of tools. Not yet though. And here is where u should understand that my criticism towards your analogy was constructive as in, we should stop thinking that is impossible to do some sort of things. I'm sorry, I'm not a developer so I can't talk about launching projects as u came back @ me. At the same time I haven't made a comparison with my job. It's just like saying : Ah, are u a developer ? No. Oh then u fail. Nice argument. I have launched IT projects which are part of some big multinationals, however that is not the point. And the term IT means a lot of things not necessarily developing ;)
I agree with you trying to be realist, but realism is something that is not done with analogies, but with facts. Since the project is not a all-in-one knife, then we are just allowed to share our opinions with the owner of the thread and try to be helpful or constructive.
I agree with "People who refuse to accept what I just said are people who aren't open to listening; they just want to kill the messenger and keep the illusion alive. " however u dismount the idea too fast. I wonder how much time have u spent analysing his idea :).
That's all.
What I'm basically trying to say is we should be more oriented into helping than dismounting, in a realistic point of view always.
Yeah, indeed, u were the only one who came up with a realistic point of view, however the analogy was wrong, I understood that u meant that building something like that takes a lot of things, starting with passion and ending with knowledge,money,etc, but from my point of view, if u have an idea and somebody comes up and mocks u around u might lose the faith in that idea, therefore abandoning it and ending up with doing nothing.
Anyway, I ( i don't know if all of them ) appreciate the dismounting tentative :)) From my point of view the owner should now think at what u said and modify he's project so that your particular dismounting will be dismounted as in : but i have what ur saying already.
So far, my game idea was ran through different dismounting scenarios and so far the only things that makes me hold my thought is: what happens if ( according to the trend ) the game I make will be used in a different matter, starting with corporate marketing for example and ending with subliminal messaging or whatnot... What impact as in positive or negative will have my game on the world. Will it be good ? Will it bring something good to the community ? Am i chasing only the american dream ( a comparison as im not american and im not chasing that ) or am I doing this for the proper reasons. My project and idea is By gamers For gamers. Unlike Razer, I have to make something that hits something different than physics, the human psychology, and so on.

Anyway, keep up the good work, both of u.

[mystd]

@Vee I don't really understand why you compare gameplay to a game development environment, of course it's harder to use than playing. Compare zBrush to Maya, Zbrush is kinda like I've imagined one of my editors. It is much more complex than mine of course, but it's easier and faster to model with than maya/3ds etc. and that's what I want to accomplish: an easier and faster way to make games.

Also I would like some more specific info on why you think that casual gamers wouldn't be able to use CW.