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[NomadRock]

After you graduate? I hit that reality halfway through my first year. (I was still getting used to the new college situation the first semester to worry about that stuff.)

Isn't having double geen #1337 the suggested cause for spontanious combustion?

[LuciferX]

I can't believe you don't have fond memories of Qbasic, nomad. I was using that waaaayyy before I could even think of purchasing a compiler, nor had any idea what to do with one!

I'm not saying that any thing of any quality can be created [which is debatable], nor trying to say there is Any excuse for the dis-organization that comes with the GOTO command. But if you got someone that doesn't know what a variable is, is just learning what Print can do. I think its a great learning tool, and can be alot of fun.

Hold on.....my brain is smoking again......

[anubis]

buying a compiler ? you must have eaten some bad granola dude :)

[NomadRock]

Delphi 4.0 is the only fond memories I have.

[Mihail121]

Agreed with anubis... plus you seem to talk like one of the guys that wrote 'Why real programmers DON'T use pascal' many years ago...

[Luvalot]

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Anyway, the learning steps I proposed was for someone who does want to learn how to program. I very much believe that if such person is taught a high-level programming language first, he/she can become confused and demotivated, or just fails to become a good programmer in little time. When starting with the basics, there's always something exciting and new to learn when stepping to a higher-level language.

I learned to program in C++ at my college. I had no previous real programming experience (except for Basic...not QBasic, but the original Basic 1.0) and I haven't had any problems understanding objects, methods, pointers, recursion, templates, etc.

I LOVE to learn new things. My college does the same thing, they teach you how to program, not how to program in a certain language.

BUT....

Nick's also right in saying that by learning the nuts and bolts of the system, you can write a more effective program.

My professor now does that, he digs down to the basics. Until now, even though I knew I could program and was a good programmer (I've won several collegiate programming competitions in the Southeast US), I didn't have the understanding I do now.

And that, IMHO, is what I think sseperates a good programmer from a great programmer....their depth of understanding.

[anubis]

dead thread !!!

[Ed Mack]

Why is the teacher teaching QB if they cannot ensure the pupils have the tools to learn it?

Anyway, Pascal is nice enough (although a bit querky), and when you have to use Visual Basic after it, the language is a god-send. For actually doing things however, C is more elegant (at least in my skewed opinion)

[anubis]

in my "skewed" opinion you should be banned forever from the planet for posting in this thread :|

[baldurk]

to be fair, it wasn't Ed who resurrected the thread. He probably didn't notice it was old.

[Ed Mack]

Bugger... sorry; you're right I didn't.

Now make threads auto-close :P

[anubis]

apologies from me... it's just that i'm really getting anyed by this... apologies to baldurk too then for my scepticism :)

[baldurk]

Ed Mack said:

Bugger... sorry; you're right I didn't.

Now make threads auto-close :P

we're working on something, due to the recent rash of resurrections.