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[rouncer]

.oisyn, you said you did n02?
Do you mean the stuff you inhale that makes your voice go deeper while your under the effect?
That stuff is hard core, lasts for about 20 seconds but its an extreme effect.
I was smoking dope one night and doing nangs (its what we call em here) and I nearly passed out and suffered a painful explosion in my head.

I think I died that night. The only drug id never do again, is nangs.

I was quite merrily smoking away last night and making hardcore tho...

[Goz]

rouncer said:

I was quite merrily smoking away last night and making hardcore tho...

Hardcore? Pah .. its all about the psytrance! ;)

Bush Doof FTW! :D

[.oisyn]

rouncer said:

.oisyn, you said you did n02?
Do you mean the stuff you inhale that makes your voice go deeper while your under the effect?

Yup. Or simply "laughing gas"

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That stuff is hard core, lasts for about 20 seconds but its an extreme effect.
I was smoking dope one night and doing nangs (its what we call em here) and I nearly passed out and suffered a painful explosion in my head.

Well yeah, you have to be careful. They use it to put people under narcose in the hospital and at the dentist's. It effectively replaces the oxygen molecules in your brain. If you do it too long, you'll pass out. But other than things like falling injuries from passing out (just sit down before using it ) it's pretty harmless.

You can usually buy the stuff legally as well, as it is also used in pressure cartridges for those whipped cream canisters.

[Kenneth Gorking]

I'm learning new stuff every day in here :lol:

Let's all get together and play a boardgame!

Now I'm off to the supermarket (cheers .oisyn) :wacko:

[TheNut]

If you want hardcore, do salvia divinorum.

[roel]

TheNut said:

If you want hardcore, do salvia divinorum.

I tried that, with an psychonaut friend, who recommended it to me. It failed for me. He had a lot of fun.

Btw, it was the first and last drug I tried. Except for alcohol of course. Did you ever drink alcohol, Mattias?

[Goz]

TheNut said:

If you want hardcore, do salvia divinorum.

A hit fo 5-MeO-DMT is just as reality changing but far nicer overall. I've tried salvia .. it was an "interesting" experience .. but not something i'll try again.

[Mihail121]

Mattias Gustavsson said:

A bunch of guys defending their recreational drug addiction. How sad...

I used to be as ignorant as you are, then I tried, and changed my views on the matter. Addiction is basically everything you like doing so you're an addict too. Most people just use the word without even knowing what it means. Besides, drugs are a great way to see yourself from different angles. As everything nice, they are dangerous, yes, but we just happen to know that, even without your ignorance. Why are they illegal? Come and tell me... And please stop defending a position you've taken over from the local newspaper, things are not so simple. I used to have a relative always shouting against things he didn't know -- nobody liked him. Stay neutral until you have some experience please.

[Hyper]

To everybody: The conclusion is that drugs and programming are a bad mix, agreed?

To .oisyn: You're pro-drug use. You believe that drugs are not "addicting," that's fine. Here's what the word ("addict") means. In America, being addicted something has nothing to do with drug-usage. Nouns can be addicting physically and mentally. "OCD" makes you "addicted" ("obsessed," "infatuated") with anything. But that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, or drugs in general. Again, in America, that's what the word means. In the Netherlands, I wouldn't know, nor care, because I live in the USA. Where idiots and fags roam free spreading disease drug free! Oh also, you do have drugs running through your system, but those are there by "nature's hand" not external "non-natural" methods (eg: shooting up). One more thing: Nobody here's ignorant; In your words that is. If "we" in general are "ignorant," then you sir, are quite ignorant about who I am. Therefore you are ignorant by "definition" as are we all (generally speaking). Don't play word games with or around me, you won't win. I do it for a living.

To Goz: Pain-killers are quite addicting. If you don't believe me, talk to my mother who says they quote, "aren't addicting." Talk to your Doctor. Research what "phantom pain" is even. Drugs (like games) are by fact (or "can be") addicting. If you read the warning label on the game of Diablo II it specifically states, quote, "DO NOT PLAY OVER 2 HOURS AT A TIME, IT MAY CAUSE ADDICTION." It is a very serious warning label, not a joke. People commit suicide to play addictive games, as a young girl I used to skip out on eating food all day and even wet myelf just so I wouldn't have to quit playing a game ("computer" in general). Games like One Must Fall 2097, Dig-Dug, Sim Ant, and a few others I refused to leave even for a moment. I was in no way on any drugs taken orally, by injection, or otherwise "non-naturally occuring" (via the body). Also, when you say numbers like that, you forgot to put the words "statistically speaking," because that changes the meaning behind it hugely. If "One in four women" have breast cancer, it does not mean that if I and three other women live in a house, one of us has cancer. It just means quote "Statistically speaking, 1 in 4 women have breast cancer." Men have breast cancer too and die from it. 1 in 1,000 men every year do statistically speaking. (90% of statistics are made up on the spot anyways)

To Reedbeta: You're right. Drugs can be mentally and/or physically addictive to specific people. It all depends on who you are, and what you've done. I completely agree, there's no law stating: If you do drugs, you will be addicted. It's just a majority of people (apparently) become addicted, so people assume you WILL be at some point (if you continue extensively).

To starstutter: </donate> :( A man cheated on his wife on "Second-life..." That's just heart-breaking that somebody would cheat on their newly-wed wife.

To vrnunes: What is a, "troglodit?"

To Mihail121: If you're going to read a single post and reply only to it, care to read all posts first? Sometimes people take back what they say, or explain what they'd meant. Another thing, I've heard that line before, "I used to be as ignorant as you are..." Sure. My Uncle says "I'm not addicted, I can quit when-ever I want." That's why he hasn't quit, almost lost his only job (that he illegally has due to a minor spelling error of his name), and continually increases the amount he's smoking monthly. If I'm not mistaken, he was at one point smoking approx. $300 worth a month (we live in the South (Texas), so you (as a drug user) can figure out how many lbs. that is). Maybe your "relative" is right. Perhaps you assume he's ignorant, yet you're the one who's ignorant.

[rouncer]

Thats a mighty fine rant, Hyper, your teaching everyone a lesson.
By the way, i dont think n02 is harmless and I dont think they give "whip it" pressured canisters people at hospitals or they would be killing everyone they administered anasthetic to.

If you go to any music gathering on the net, youll see theres a percentage of the musicians who do like to smoke before they create, I was just thinking its probably less of a phenomenon in programming.

Why? Maybe because programming is a different thing to do, maybe believing in less superstition and a plain matter of factual skeptical mind is whats required whilst your doing it is a better option.

But art is all about your senses, so maybe you could see a bit of drug use slip in there.

[Mihail121]

Hyper said:

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Finally a well argumented post, I agree with everything said including the comments on myself. As with everything else, the matter is relevant on the view point. I don't like seing children on drugs so I too will say "drugs are bad". The unspoken truth is that the post was about "Can we manage to develop while on drugs", instead it went the path of "Drugs vs. No Drugs".

[flux00]

lol

Note the manner in which the relevance of the arguments to the original topic strays ever increasingly further toward zero (or more formally, hitler).

http://en.wikipedia..../Godwin%27s_law

[rouncer]

It gives you super human abilities.

[.oisyn]

Hyper said:

To .oisyn: You're pro-drug use.

No, I'm not. But I'm not anti either. Everybody should decide for themselves, and I will never say that drug use is a good thing. And I'd like to stress out that drug abuse is never a good thing.

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You believe that drugs are not "addicting," that's fine.

It's very weird you draw that conclusion, because I have never said such a thing, so perhaps you are psychic? But I don't actually believe it's true either, so your psychic powers must be off then. The only thing I've said in this thread, as have others, is that drug use is not the same as a drug addiction. And I think people thinking it is are quite ignorant, especially when they're going around saying things like "you're wrong" without giving any arguments (which seems typical behaviour for the person I was talking to, which wasn't YOU so I wasn't calling YOU ignorant either - if you think it does apply to you then that's your own wrongdoing).

Actually, this very sentence applies to you as well:

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If you're going to read a single post and reply only to it, care to read all posts first? Sometimes people take back what they say, or explain what they'd meant.

To which I would like to add: if you read a post, read only what is said, and do not try to read between the lines or assume what people actually mean. And, if you do think that person means something else, simply ask.

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Don't play word games with or around me, you won't win. I do it for a living.

I won't win for the sole fact that English is not my first language. So whether you do it for a living is completely irrelevant

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To vrnunes: What is a, "troglodit?"

I think he misspelled it

[Sol_HSA]

Well, if nothing else, this thread has changed the way I see some people on this board. And, unfortunately, the board in general.

I have no personal experience of drugs - or alcohol, for that matter - but I've seen plenty of negative side effects of both. From what I've read, the world might be a better place without alcohol but with legal MJ, but that doesn't mean I'd be interested of trying either.

[.oisyn]

Sol_HSA said:

but I've seen plenty of negative side effects of both.

Very true. Substance abuse is not something to be reconed with.

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but that doesn't mean I'd be interested of trying either

Good for you (and I mean that)

[Goz]

.oisyn said:

Very true. Substance abuse is not something to be reconed with.


Good for you (and I mean that) :)

+1 on both points! :)

There are many things I regret doing in the past .. categorically the worst mistake i ever made was smoking nicotine. Second was joining the games industry .. but thats a rant for another day ;)

[Hyper]

To .oisyn:

.oisyn said:

Get your facts straight. That's all I have to say about it. Your opinion about drugs is as bad, unfounded and short-sighted as your opinions about working in the gamesindustry :happy:

By the way, drug use in The Netherlands is not illegal. So by your definition, Dutch drug users are not addicts. And you're probably an alcoholic.

To insinuate is to say, to mean. You've done just that. I'm not reading inbetween the lines, I'm infact reading what you said. To twirl what you twisted back on you: Please read all the posts instead of trying to read inbetween the lines. ;) Speaking of which, you'd said this prior (just a reminder):

.oisyn said:

Well, the big question is: are you more productive and more likely to finish the job at hand. From personal experience I'd say no, although mild amfetamine usage could surely help being more productive (not too much otherwise you'll have troubles concentrating). And I think most programmers oblige caffeine ;)

You're obviously pro-drug use (if you ignore what I'm insinuating, then caffeine points it out quite clearly). You cannot claim to be neutral yet say you're "for 'partial'" drug-use, then turn around and say you're against it (again, "partial").

I don't care if English was or was not your first language, nobody had asked you that. That entire statement was irrelevant and "off-topic" for the matter of the topic at hand. The OP (original poster) rouncer, was asking a simple question, at some point, the entire topic got derailed.

Yes, he did mis spell that word. I call them "Troggles" due to Math Munchers calling them that.

To Mihail121: Thank you for agreeing, and thank you for the compliment.

[.oisyn]

Hyper said:

To insinuate is to say, to mean. You've done just that. I'm not reading inbetween the lines

Then emphasise that sentence before it as well, which reads "by your definition". I have never said that that was my definition as well. I was merely trying to point out that his definition was flawed. Of course there are Dutch drug users which are addicts.

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You're obviously pro-drug use (if you ignore what I'm insinuating, then caffeine points it out quite clearly). You cannot claim to be neutral yet say you're "for 'partial'" drug-use, then turn around and say you're against it (again, "partial").

No, I have never said I was for the use of amphetamines to help you program better. I merely said it *could* help. I did not say it was a good thing to do. Again, you're reading between the lines.

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I don't care if English was or was not your first language, nobody had asked you that. That entire statement was irrelevant and "off-topic" for the matter of the topic at hand. The OP (original poster) rouncer, was asking a simple question, at some point, the entire topic got derailed.

Yes, what's your point exactly? If I choose to call someone ignorant, I do so. I have my reasons for it, and you don't know what those reasons are (as they aren't all expressed in this topic), so you can't say my reasons are incorrect (even when they are - because you don't know them). I was specifically addressing Mattias at that point. Of course you're in your right to call it offtopic (which you didn't up until now), which it is, but quite frankly I don't care about that. A topic almost never ends with the same subject as it started with.

To be honest, we're playing word games right now, for the sole reason that you're (perhaps deliberately) misinterpreting what I'm saying. Even though what I'm saying isn't even close to being ambiguous in my opinion. Obviously, my opinion on this is biased, so perhaps someone else (other than Hyper) can confirm or deny whether my statements were so ambiguous?
No, scratch that. What I have said is unimportant, whether I said it correctly or not. What I think is. So for the record: I'm not for drug use, nor am I anti drug use. I do not think all drug users are addicts, nor do I think that drugs are never addictive. So there, that is my opinion. We could waste another 100 posts on what I have said and how I it can be interpreted, but I don't care about that so I will waste no time on that anymore.

[Hyper]

Thank you for being straight-forward on your opinions towards drug-usage and programming. All I wanted to hear. :)

EDIT: I'm not trying to incite an argument with you, .oisyn, I've no personal issues with you, and I don't mean to intrude.
I simply saw you say alot of stuff and I thought it was rather rude, which isn't cool by my standards at all; Then again, I don't really know anybody here, so, I suppose I shouldn't be "Taking sides," which I wasn't if that's what you were thinking. I attempt to stay neutral.